We all have an idea of what beauty is...in fact the next book we are reading, The Bluest Eye by Toni Morrison, explores what happens when your idea of beauty does not match up with what you see in the mirror.
SO-First question on the block:
How do we know what is beautiful? Where does our idea of beauty come from?
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Ok, Guillermo's going to start this thing off. I just woke up so pay no mind to any sloppiness to my answer. ANYWAY. =] We know what is beautiful through what is portrayed in the things we are exposed to, such as media. The media now a days shows video girls with huge boobs, fake nails, and MAD makeup as beautiful. Unfortunately. So, we see little eight year old girls outside walking around looking like little whores. That is probably not the best choice of words because Ms.Russ will probably kill me when she sees me in the halls, but I need to say something provocative to get the ball rolling.
Well, beauty in the typical media stereotype can be portrayed that way. It's not necessarily agreed on for each person has their own thoughts, opinions, perspectives and so on. Like, that may be the media stereotype, but someone else can completely disagree, or even find that as the bottom of the ugly ladder.
A turn on that however would be that beauty isn't in appearance, but deeper in personality or in one's traits, or style, or habits. Etc.
Yea, but that's kind of a given. We're all built with different views on everything. You stating that my opinion of what others see as beauty in today's world kind of seems, well, irrelevant. I said what I said to initiate the chat with a well know stereotype of beauty.
And I totally agree with your view on beauty. It's definitely something deeper than mere appearance. It's just sad that not many people are going to know what we mean. Why the hell is it that only two people have posted anything on this thing. Jamar and Ms. Russ, it makes me sad. lol
Beauty, is depicted differently by all people. We are all unique, after all. Beauty is depicted by not only the media as u said before but by a persons environment. What you grow up with is what most people consider beautiful. People are a product of their environment, therefore taking on the mentalities surrounding them.
Beauty, is depicted differently by all people. We are all unique, after all. Beauty is depicted by not only the media as u said before but by a persons environment. What you grow up with is what most people consider beautiful. People are a product of their environment, therefore taking on the mentalities surrounding them.
Beauty, is depicted differently by all people. We are all unique, after all. Beauty is depicted by not only the media as u said before but by a persons environment. What you grow up with is what most people consider beautiful. People are a product of their environment, therefore taking on the mentalities surrounding them.
This is Nathaniel, by the way.
Way to post three times Nathaniel! -Thumbs up-
Just joking, and everyone else either forgot, don't care or just don't want to for whatever reason.
This can't go much farther with just the three of us, and complimentary views.
Worddddddd.
FOR THE QUOTE TODAY I BELIEVE THAT HAPINESS IS USUALLY RUINED BY PREPERATION. MANY TIMES PEOPLE HAVE TO PUT ASIDE PLEASURE AND WORK. IN MY OPINION SOMETIMES I WOULD RATHER PREPARE FOR WHATS IN STORE SO THAT THE OUTCOME WILL BRING HAPPINESS.
WOOW.. I WANT TO SPEAK ON THE BEAUTY TOPIC... I HIGHLY AGREE WITH GUILLERMO.. THE PUBLIC DOES SHOW BEAUTY AS BEING SKINNY AND PETITE. I BELIEVE THAT MOST PEOPLE WHO SAY THAT THEY ARE SO PRETTY AND BEAUTIFUL HAVE THE WORST PERSONALITIES IN THE WORLD.
I really have to agree Obie. I have quite the distaste for those who are overly-conceited. Yes, sure, you can be into yourself. The minute you obsess over yourself, or get the idea that you are better than everyone else, and become obsessed with that, in my opinion you've become an ugly person. Shouldn't be so drawn into yourself.
Isn't it interesting that only guys have commented on this question?
Why?
Well it's either the girls didn't take the time to answer, or we have a more definite view?
Not to stereotype girls or anything, but quite a few seem to like, or fall in love with one's situation or condition rather than their personality or looks.
In my own personal opinion, beauty is who you are when nobody is looking. When everyone else isn't aorund, you show a side of yourself that you conceal from the rest of the world.
HI EVERYONE, by everyone i mean the 4 people who have spoken on this subject. i agree with Gizzy,Jamar,Obie and,Nathaniel. Society and our culture is what makes our image of beauty. Everyone has a different perception of beauty. What i may find attractive Gizzy might not find attractive. when we grow up not being the image of beauty that society depicts. We become frustrated as children and sometimes leads to depression and the belief that we are ugly/unwanted feelings that possibly everyone goes thru. The fact that we let everyone else establish a standard of beauty is just stupid. The fact that people actually care what society thinks is beautiful is sadder, because either way we will have our own vision of beauty.
YEAH MRS RUSS THE GUYS ARE DOING IT. LOL. IN MY OPINION I ALSO BELIEVE THAT BEAUTY CAN COME IN MANY FORMS. TO ME JUST A SIMPLE HI OR GOODMORNING CAN MAKE SOMEONE A BEAUTIFUL PERSON. I ALSO BELIEVE THAT SOCIETY HAS MADE PEOPLE GO CRAZY JUST TO FIT IN. IF YOU HAVE TO GET TO THE POINT OF ALMOST STEALING FROM YOUR MOM JUST TO LOOK CUTE, THERES NO BEAUTY IN YOU.
well quite honestly im kind of REALLY confident. To the point where my friends call me cocky. In both appearance and attitude. So it's definitely not a girl thing. And notice that the object of beauty that were talking about right now is a female. I began by saying video GIRLS. It's probably a bit intimidating for the first girl to kick and say something because she would probably feel harassed. By the way to the first girl, I'm not trying to start a polemic about the whole sex war. Guy girl whatever can we please not go there because that's just one of those topics that never ends. =]
yea ms russ because boys rule ;).....but yea i agree with obie and guillermo...beauty does come in many forms....its not wats ouside its wats on the inside and many of the girls these days need to appreciate the way the look becuz there mite b someone out there tht appreciates them for who they are and not wat they look like =D
well peoples aspect on beauty is showen with in their stait of mind.A lot of people dont even follow their own views they follow behind wat other people say is beautiful. Which in turn starts many a conflicts in todays society. But my views on beauty is any thing or anyone that takes me away, the beauty is definitly with in. You can be the most beautiful girl but if u have a bad attitude then there is no beauty with in u. But thats just my opinion.
But because people watch all the media and take all that in they really miss out on what is beautiful or who is. Im mean tak one look at a seed u ready 2 throw it but if u tak care of it and bond with it it could grow 2 be something beautiful. All u gotta do is take the time 2 c that.
But jai if wat u sayn is true then y do u hav 2 hide it if u honestly think its beautiful u shpouldnt b affraid 2 let it show som1 if they agree will feel the sam way u do but u gotta give it a chance
well ms.russ i think its because girls seem 2 b the ones who hav the hardest tim trying 2 live up 2 this social beauty that their affraid 2 show or even explor their own views on wat it actually is
That's a good assumption.
But our posting might have something to do with it as well. Some people get intimidated by twenty one comments and don't end up posting cause they believe they have to read it all.
["Isn't it interesting that only guys have commented on this question? Why?"]
Ms. Russ i am representing the girls now. Everyone is beautiful in every single way and although we have followers who try their best to look like others they are still beautiful. && I ALSO AGREE WITH DARIO'S STATEMENT.
["Isn't it interesting that only guys have commented on this question? Why?"]
Ms. Russ i am representing the girls now. Everyone is beautiful in every single way and although we have followers who try their best to look like others they are still beautiful. && I ALSO AGREE WITH DARIO'S STATEMENT.
JAMAR YOU ARE A CLOWN! BUT I REALLY DID THINK THAT
"But our posting might have something to do with it as well. Some people get intimidated by twenty one comments and don't end up posting cause they believe they have to read it all."
"well ms.russ i think its because girls seem 2 b the ones who hav the hardest tim trying 2 live up 2 this social beauty that their affraid 2 show or even explor their own views on wat it actually is" i totally disagree with statement
Media is the source of why so many people look in the mirror and frown at what they see. There are so many advertisements and celebrities that are "tall blonde beauties". No offense to Lady GaGa but I have never seen her fully dressed. People see things like this and this stereotype of beauty is hardwired into there friggin brains, nearly at birth. It is a shame.
I remember as a little girl i saw people who were given the title "beautiful" than looking in the mirror and not seeing it in my reflection. I was devastated.
I wanted more than anything that long blonde flowing hair instead of this knotted mop that sits on my head. I tried relaxing it, which fried my hair. I tried getting it straightened alllllll the time, but that was too expensive. Eventually i had to just deal with it.
It took me a long time to love my hair, my snort laugh, my BIG over bite teeth, body etc. I may not have big breast and butt. But i am happy with who i am now. I enjoy imperfection. Everyone should. It gives character and uniqueness.
Blame the diseases with people puking their brains out to be skinny, and skin cancer from tanning salons on the media. They have caused mental and physical destruction.
But when you truly think about it, it makes money for the companies to sell their products, makes money for the doctors who have to tend to the after affects of the products, and the psychiatrists who try to cure these people of their insane infatuation with "perfection".
It is the NEW AND IMPROVED circle of life.
One giant conspiracy.
personal i think your heart makes you beautiful. honestly now a days there are not that many beautiful people because they are so fixed on lookin the definition of societys beauty that they have no real chance to develop or show how beautiful there heart is. for just by seeing someone else beauty makes you beautiful to me..... And i totally agree with all you guysssss....... plus girls need to stop frontin like they know they dont do certain things to their selves to make them think they are beautiful
To me everyone is beautiful in their own way. Just because girls are in magazines does not mean they are beautiful they use makeup to make them who they are. Without makeup they would not look nor feel the same. Not wearing makeup is natural beauty because you are really showing who you are and you do not feel like you need makeup to make you beautiful. Real beauty is no matter how bad your hair looks you are still able to see the beauty within the person. Even though they might not look their best at that time their face still portrays beauty.
Beauty is normally portrayed as fear skin blue eyes and blonde hair. To me beauty is skin deep. If your personality does not match your outside beauty you are not beautiful my eyes.
Beauty ...... what is it really. society see it as physical which is both hurtful and damaging to one confidence when i personally think it should be established on the mental you cant judge a book by it cover so why just a person by appearance
I feel that beauty comes within.Some people look through the magazines and look at those girls and want to be them because of there insacurities but I feel that beautiful is when you are comfortable with yourself and imbrace your imperfections.
I'd just like to say that if you're going to disagree, elaborate. Don't just I DISAGREE. Ok. Why? And half of you are being total hypocrites right now. I'm probably going to be the only one to say it but we all know you'd be the first ones to judge. I know I do. Stop acting like you don't.
Ew. This is upsetting me. lol
Oooh. A lot more people. Cool. Now I'm just waiting for a comment that disagrees so we can have an actual debate.
And as possible as it is for your statement to be true Guillermo, I must say I don't really judge. Rather, I think of many different possibilities for someone, many different scenarios and reasons. Or wait for more information,such as information that can only be gained from knowing a person personally. I just don't tend to do it. The first thing that comes to me when I meet someone new, is why they might dress or look the way they do, or act the way they act. Something of that nature.
alright this has come to my attention now and i believe that everyone has their own personal definition for beauty. nobody is wrong about their opinion on beauty but to me everyone is talking on behalf of other people. the question to me is what makes you beautiful? what are the things you go through early in the morning just to be noticed or satisfied with yourself?... many people think that they are beautiful but in other eyes they're not. nobody is perfect at the end of the day but people talked about how beauty comes from your home; how you dress; what other people say and feel about you [your appearance/ the way you act; your nationality; your skin tone; your hair/nails/toes; and etc.]; but to me; beauty defines the combination of qualities that make something pleasing and impressive to look at, listen to, touch, smell, or taste and this topic is not only for girls it goes for men as well. because the last time i checked most men try to be like others as well;they try to dress like others; look like others just so ya'll can bagg the prettiest thing that walk; the baddest thing that walk and feel good about your self at the end of the day and say im "Fly"! or im the sh*t and keep bragging and bragging and bragging but nufff said i know everyone gets the picture im trying to illustrate come out your box and dnt front cause you know that i know you look grill and discriminate others that are the train the bus on tv in magazine on the computer and so on. than when you look in the mirror you go and say damn this need to be done this needs to be fixed i need to get this done i wish i had this i need this and continue on and on and on! Now whats beautiful about you?
Wanna know what's beautiful for me? Skating at high speeds down a hill with my big clumsy out of style[In today's society as a young black male anyways] skates, coasting at high speeds down hill. Embracing every gust and every rush that hits me. In short; Enjoying yourself and having fun, without care of another person's opinion. :O
^And being happy with yourself. Enjoying yourself, etc.
But Mokie basically got it down on us guys, for the most part. That's our half of the stereotype.
Ms. Russ, do we have to have you as our teacher to post? Or can it be any seniors in our school? :O
Jamar,
Other seniors may post, as long as they debate respectfully!
:)
Mrs. Russ
Yea this things annoying me now. We're going in circles. Everyone has their own opinion. Great. I want the chance to yell at someone.
Alright. Invited a few, hopefully they show up. :P
Jamar, two year ago, you barely even knew what skating was, now you find poetry in it? So by your perspective, you find beauty equals happiness, but what if your form of beauty negatively affects another? Say someone's relaxing somewhere minding their own business, all of a sudden you come rolling in your loud skates disturbing them?
My view on beauty is confidence, I believe if you feel like your beautiful and carry yourself as if you are, then so be it, YOUR BEAUTIFUL! Everyone sees something different. Some people may like long hair, some like short, some like skinny, some like "plump". There isn't one definition of beautiful.
Being beautiful comes from the inside, but many people are focusing on their outter self. We all see beautiful faces usng make-up throughout photoshoots and magazines. In my opinion, beauty comes from the appearance or the emotions on style.
Beauty is just being true to yourself.
most people feel that beauty is defined by the media. If some one doesn't live up to the standards of people in books are magazines or ads then there not considered beauty. The sad thing is not even those people live up to the standards of what the media considers beautiful. People don't realize how air brushed and touched up these pictures are and so basically there trying to make them selves look like something that is isn't always real. Make up makes u beautiful..but for how long? Its Basically all a facade because when the make up comes off your no longer consider beautiful. No over one can live up to what the world considers beautiful. I feel it just adds more stress to your everyday life. There was a time when your personality was what made u truely beautiful. But in todays society thats no longer the case. If your not beautiful on the outside then u wont stand out and u wont matter to the world. Your outter apperence is the only thing people seem to care about in modern times
And... We still continue to agree with each other. Ms. Russ, you should put out a different question where people will take different sides.
Also, Mike. I did know what skating was two years ago, and my skates aren't loud. :P
Also, the ability to be happy with yourself, being able to enjoy yourself without the worry of all this stress. Stress related to what the media tries to make you want to believe.
beauty has to be natural everyone is mixed up on what society thinks is beautiful girls are either wearing makeup or extensions and expensive clothing to be portryaed as beauty if you take away their makeup and extensions and clothing who will they be no one will look at them as the same beauty as they were with those products
i believe that beauty comes from within, but society has changed some peoples views towards beauty. i believe so because in magagzines people or rather women are seen as having a certain type of hair, skin color and body type is beauitful. what some of publisher of these magazines do not realize is that if they keep viewing women in this certain type of way children are going to want to look excatly like them. to be honest if society would view beauty in multiple ways then everyone would have confidence in their looks
People often think beauty is something you can see on the outside. I believe beauty comes from within. Your hair and clothes don't make you beautiful, it's the way people carry themselves that makes them beautiful. Women especially are affected by what the media portrays as beauty. They portray that if you don't look like the models and actresses on tv then you are no one important. We have to start considering ourselves beautiful no matter what others think. God created us all beautiful in our own way and that is all that matters.
Beauty is more of a mental state of mind. It is a feeling that is inside of you, that make you feel more than comfortable with yourself. I agree with anger and its sonmething inside you. Beauty deals with confidence. If you dont feel comfortable with yourself and your appearence, nobody else will
I think Mrs. Russ is ugly.
The term 'beautiful' doesn't have to be what people think is 'pretty'. Beautiful may be on the outside but it can also be in the inside which i may think that everyones personality is beautiful and what each person does. I think that the term beautiful may be dangerous among Models and young ladies because the media thinks that beautiful involves sexy bodies (curves, hourglass), nice hair, makeup (especially), etc...plus, there are those bars, pills, and especially those who are involved with anerexia (if you understand what im saying cuase i dont know how to spell it) because they are hurting their bodies just to look like what the media and the whole world thinks is beautiful. Basically, as Jamar said, that beauty is a typical sterotype that the terms above has to be beautiful. so no matter what, i think beauty is based on peoples personalities rather than the looks but, although i may be hypocritical, its what i think that the term 'beauty' comes in my head.
In my opinion beauty is what you want it to be. The public portrays beauty by being skinny, white, and having long haired. Fortunatly enough everybody does not look the same. If everyone had the same feateures in my opinion it wouldnt be called beauty anymore....it would be called boring. In the end beautiful means being different and having your own unique style. Not being the image that the public displays make you beautiful..=)
i believe that beauty cannot be defined in a sense that everybody will agree to, simply because beauty witholds its own meaning in everybody's eyes. i honestly believe that someone's beauty is greatly potryaed on how they carry themselves as an indivisual. I can see someone that is the most beautiful person but if they present themselves in a way that isnt presentable, then the attraction goes away. Beauty comes from the inside out.
Beauty is truly undefined because everyone's meaning is so different. People who have low self esteem seek what they believe to be beauty in magazines, t.v., and community. So in conclusion beauty is what one makes it because it's only skin deep.
...Hi=] well I feel that our society gives everyone an illusion of what they see as the perfect. And to them being what they call perfect is beautiful.But to me its really your innerself. Beauty is what makes you ...you. Like what eloise said its all in the advertisment,they use white,skinny,long hair, pretty eyes, bright smile girls to make something else looke good.So more people see these kinds of bodys an feel as if they should do everything in their power to be like this random stranger who we don't really know if they are comfortable with themselves.Most people need to look in the mirror and love themselves.Many times its how u feel about yourself that makes others agree and feel that same way.Everyone has something beautiful about them and it only should matter what you think about yourslef.
Reggie has a very valid point. I also believe that beauty comes from within. There is not set definition of beauty regardless of what society may think. Everyone can believe they're beautiful in one way or another. However a person's character will depict a their true beauty. For example, many people admire Beyonce for her beauty. The fact of her beauty may or may not be true depending on what people think beauty is. If Beyonce had a nasty or unwelcoming personality, many people would not be as fond of her.
i think beauty is what people make of it.. meaning that ..your not supposed follow the media's idea of beauty but your own.. just be original ..like be yourself which is hard in our society today because people love to criticize[idk if thats spelled right] and just basically talk.. but i feel that beauty is just "doing you"so to speak.
I think a lot of the above people have a valid point as far as beauty being from within a person.Yes I do agree that a person can be beautiful as far as looks but that is a cliche,Looks can only take you but so far.Beauty is in how a person presents themselves on the inside as well as the outside.Lastly I think society as a whole needs to open up their minds to "beauty" in and out of magazines.
Every idea of beauty is unique. It is also expressed in many different shapes, sizes, and forms. Beauty itself is the way that every indiviual takes it. Now, beauty can be anyway you take it. The media has thrown anyones picture perfect of beauty in the trash. Which is sad because, we as humans have a right to our own opinion and what we think is beautiful. Beauty comes from the heart. Everyone has t believe that their beauty is in them somewhere, some maybe harder than others but eveyone has a say in their own beauty. Even if that is not wat society may take as beautiful. WE has to be done is that we have to stop letting the media manipulate our opinion and believe in is right as beatiful.
I definitely agree with Guillermo and Obie. We know that beautiful to us is what we see in the media. We are exposed to women who wear so much makeup and have flawless skin in the magazines, on ads, television, etc and when we look at that some of us might say, "Wow I wish my skin was like that" or "OMG I think Halle Berry is just freaking gorgeous".
Beautiful to me is not just about how you look on the OUTSIDE but how you look in the INSIDE. Beauty is when you can accept the skin your in and when you can love yourself for who your are no matter how society LOOKS at you! =)
Yeah you are absolutely right Jamar.
Ms. Russ I can not wait for the next question?
Now I know next time to comment way earlier!!!
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defining beauty is a hard task because beauty is an abstract concept. there is no universal standard for beauty because it is perceived in various ways. some find the way a person physically looks defines their beauty, others find beauty in character. I don't have a real definition for beauty because I know a part of myself is a tad bit superficial in that beauty contains a bit of visual attraction, but character does play a major part. so I guess beauty all depends on what one is attracted to, whether its external, internal, or a combination of both...
Kay, this got boring. Everyone agrees... -Fake- Yay...! Anyways, while we wait, anyone bring Nacho's?
Yea I agree with Camille Russ. Mrs. Russ is MAD ugly. Like, she needs to stop it.
Ms. Russ I love you.
Oh. Totally agree. ^
Beautiful is described as something pleasing and impressing. i certainly agree with Diana's opinion because beauty has many significance on today's society.
I'm gonna try and argue for the media. Although we all know they put up fake images of what they deem perfection, which is unreachable to either fill a void in their own selves, or to make more money. Etc.
Media(Expository): Beauty is perfection, the perfect body, the perfect look, the perfect color, accessories, clothes, styles and everything else you can put onto your body. If beauty was natural, and 'skin deep', there would be no point in all the products we have today, and you would not buy them if you didn't believe in it. To disagree with this, you're uncomfortable with your own look and feel like less of a person because you do not find yourself beautiful. Thus, you create these phrases that beauty is not in looks, but in personality and other things within. You use this as an excuse to escape the reality that you might not be beautiful, although you try your best, or perhaps intimidated by what you think people will think of you if you came out and said it as it has been said here. Making you seem like a more shallow person, but if you fear that, then it is obvious you fear other people's opinion of you, and thus do care for beauty as far as physical appearance. Which could also be read as you using this as a veil for one to not target you for your lack of beauty because you have a front of "Not caring for physical beauty" or something similar such as avoiding beauty because it's something too hard to achieve, or unreachable.
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Beauty is what a person believes is appealing. Since people have different tastes, one thing may not be beautiful to another person. If I like girls that have long hair, dark skin complexion, and a thick body shape another person might think that is ugly and would think that girls who have short hair, light skin complexion, and a thinner body shape is considered beautiful. Someone told us what was beautiful and no one took time to argue what beauty is. That is why we are with the way things are today.
I feel beauty is wat u think it is ppl now a days are so oppionated and so wrried about how the next person views them they dnt realize that they are beautiful in society todaii advertising and magazines kinda set a standard like this is beautiful u make it here ur beautiful but wat we realize is the ppl doing it are trained are showered with make up and inhanced in photos to look that way some probably even suffer to look that way starving themselves to keep a shape is ur beautiful work with wat yu got dnt proceed certain changes juss to meet a standard its not worth it.....honestly
Alright ....on to the next question lol =)
i agree with mrs.Russ's 3Ed statement. and i agree with that statement above mine by Melissa. NEXT QUESTION PLEASE
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